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Vista Tweaks?

Raelf — Thu, 03 Apr 2008 03:20:28 GMT

I purchased the system in my signature specifically for gaming. It came with Vista Home Premium 32 Bit. I have done some additions to the machine, and want everything running smoothly before I convert to 64... while I still have a software warranty.

I am compiling a list of the best 64 drivers for my components, and I'd like to know what other gamers have tweaked in Vista 64 to gain performance. I am not interested in hacks which break the functionality of Vista; I'm simply looking for system settings changes that will allow the best performace possible.

So, who's done what to Vista 64?

congratualtions on a great site.

latingy — Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:03:24 GMT

ive only been on this site for a few hours . but man ive learnt so much about lag just in that time.

just going threw the forums theres so much interesting discusion.

ive been gaming for around 3 yrs now and pulling my hair out due to lag. it drives me and everyone in my clan crazy . theres just so many factors that cause lag so its hard for someone whos not technically minded to trouble shoot the cause.

so finding a site like this for me is awsome im so glad and i passed it on to my clanmates so im sure there will be some interest with them.

i havnt bought ur killer yet i want to make sure it works with vista 64 first. ur lagmeter doesnt seem to work with vista (like most software) so im very careful about using new hardware or software until im sure it works in vista 64.

alot of companies claim that there products work with vista but most of the time its false or partially true.

again thanks for the site gys .

latingy

LagMeter and upcoming products from Bigfoot Networks.

Tytus — Thu, 01 Jun 2006 07:10:36 GMT

As you know, Bigfoot Networks finished the development of a new Lag Measuring software called LagMeter.

LagMeter is the fruits of some of the research going on at Bigfoot Networks, Inc.

www.bigfootnetworks.com

Bigfoot Networks primary focus, however, is on hardware devices that will give you an opportunity to FIGHT lag on your own terms. BigfootNetworks.com will let you know more about that going forward!

If you have problems with the software, though, please let us know, this first Beta version of LagMeter will certainly grow and get better if you report it's issues here.

Thanks,
Tytus

kid (16) on a mison with satalite internet

johnmen — Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:23:54 GMT

I have hughes net (don't flame me it's this or dial up)

plz is there any soft ware cheap hard ware or any thing to end the horable lag? im playing bf2

i need cheap stuff

i have a lynxis speed booster router in a box still will that help?

don't flam me i live 5 miles in da boondox and i even tried to write a potision that did not help get the high speed.

will gaming rail + the new speed booster router combined work?

any tips

i got 20 dollars in my pay pal,is there any off brand used gaming card i can buy some were?

plz don't offer to not help because i don't have high speed or since i have satalite

plz help.

plz dont flame me for not haveing good gramer.

thanks for reading

oh ya got any realy old networking card that you guys might have for sale ill puy it from ya for 20 (dont sell me a broken or an horable one thanks.)

what notebook Hard drive would you recommend?

vmkfan — Sat, 17 Feb 2007 09:12:09 GMT

It seems my HP DV8130 hard drive is malfunctiting and I am going to replace it. Right now I have a FUJITSU MHV2100AT and was wondering what everyone recommend that will give me better gaming abilities.

Hawking Broadband booster

hunter — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:37:18 GMT

Hawking has also developed their own broadband boosting technology. Though they branded more openly to "speed up broadband connections" I think they meant it to a variety of other technologies it can help out with, other than gaming (i.e. voip, surfing, etc. )

From what i've read, this device is great for VOIP applications. Though it does use part of Ubicom's stream engine technology. Otherwise, it's mediocre for web surfing, and streaming video and audio is ok at best.

here is hawkings link to their product

http://www.hawkingtech.com/products/productlist.php?CatID=36&FamID=80&ProdID=233

Lag Fighting Products?

Pist — Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:28:10 GMT

How come this site doesn't have any other products listed to fight lag besides killernic?

Is this site ran by Bigfoot aka Killernic or is it only Sponsored by them, i guess that could be why no other product is talked about on these forums.Just about every post that people talk about lag bigfoot rep replys you should try a killernic, i dont get how a site that really wants to talk about how to end/fight lag allows them to spam their product all the time unless these forums are really ran by bigfoot. (killernic)

So far my take on this site seems to be that you guys are bias to only one product to solve everyones problems with lag, you dont go into detail about doing stuff to normal network cards that 99.999% of the world has to fight "lag".

Maybe if you would allow people to talk about other products and tips to impove their network connect or computers to fight lag with out always throwing KillerNIC in their face these forums wouldn't be so dead.
It just seems these forums are only about helping bigfoot sell more KillerNIC network cards.

Other hardware tricks and a hello!

OFM — Sun, 29 Oct 2006 20:36:28 GMT

Hey guys hello and howdy do.

Well My device to help reduce lag/latency is not too complicated. It's a HDD setup plain and simple.

My setup goes as follows

SCSI card with 2 drives

1 drive is a Seagate Barracuda 15k 18GB drive - OS and a few OS specific apps only!

Program files folder is moved to a different drive and windows acts on it.

1 drive is an IBM 4 GB drive that I use for the only pagefile.sys on my system.

IDE's

2 - 160GB HDDs,(games and other apps and storage) 1 -DVD burner and 1 - dvd player/cd burner

1 Venus black box with 4 - 160GB IDE hardrives (all my graphics and developmental stuff - shared out to other pc's in home)

Premise: Thinking like a record and record player - to access different parts you have to stop what you are accessing move the needle around and do that each time you need to access a different area of the platter.

If my OS that has to be accessed often for various untold reasons, My game, and my pagefileas well should I run out of RAM. This causes that drives read write head to be hopping(thrashing) all over the place constantly on it's platters no?. Why not provide seperate units for each task that each one can do at the same time if needed.

This works for me

Every little bit helps - too bad I still wait for things like "Verifying Client Data" in BF2 'et al' though because I'm still a 32 bit guy.

Oh forgot to mention - My Killernic is shipping out tomorrow!

Killer nic

Discrate — Mon, 07 Aug 2006 01:00:11 GMT

I think it is. over 200 dollars. We dont even know if it works.

Killer NIC Benchmarking Data...

Tytus — Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:41:50 GMT

Someone asked for this a while ago, and here it is

http://killernic.com/KillerNic/KillerAboutLLR.aspx

Killer NIC DOES reduce Lag. Mostly Client and 'Network Lag' (so Server Lag is still out there)... but it does reduce Lag some.

Client Lag (or Lag caused by your computer) is usually seen as a DROP in FPS during heavy action: Killer Helps that a lot. (SEE FPS results)

Network Lag (or Lag caused by packet loss or long hops) is usually measured in Ping: Killer REDUCES ping somewhat (SEE PING results)

Server Lag is just plain slowness on the server... Killer doesn't help that: yet.

Tytus

Why not use Winsock Direct or SDP drivers?

Proteus — Fri, 27 Oct 2006 06:42:02 GMT

So..here is the question. If you're designing a NIC for the lowest latency possible..why would you not offer Winsock Direct drivers, or SNP capable drivers?

WSD is used extensively where low latency is critical. Sub 6ms is very common, vs the 15-20 for a decent GigE card.

Features like TOE, RDMA, etc are also nice, but probably not as useful for gamers...

Just asking, because the STANDARD broadcom 5708 ASIC now appearing on new system boards has ALL of these features available....

-Proteus

Tytus or anyone else that knows alot about the nic

tekki — Fri, 29 Sep 2006 17:53:29 GMT

Will the killer nic reduce my ping by alot in games like counter strike, battlefield 2 and call of duty2
Counter strike im not too worried about because i live in the dubai and thats the only game with servers either in my country or in countries very close to mine but for all other online games i have to play on singapoor servers which have like 120 - 180 ping and i just wanted to know if the killer nic will reduce my ping by alot to those far away servers.
Oh yeah i have a usb dsl modem it doesnt have ethernet ports or w.e will the killernic be compatable with it ? or should i get a ethernet modem

Opinions of a recent owner

dBs — Mon, 28 Aug 2006 22:11:02 GMT

Hello, Im dBs of Clan Alliance [CA]. I recently got the Killer NIC card for getting 3rd place in the BF2 tournament at Showdown LAN (hurray A Fluffy Pancake pugger team!). I installed the card last night as soon as I got back and installed the burned CD drivers (had a chuckle at that, talk about new!). I had one problem right off, but I have yet to isolate the source. I had Firefox up on my yahoo beta mail. It started saying it couldnt open my email for some reason but could open others. I suspect that was the yahoo mail itself not not a matter of the card. I started Trillian and XFire (I believe XFire just before Trillian) and it completely locked my system. I restarted and it worked great. Today I had the same situation occur again. I believe the same situation was going on on my system. When I open the programs individually and allow them time to load completely, it works great. Ill play with it and see if I can replicate the problem. If I can isolate a cause Ill post it up here.

The drivers give you SOOOO many options to change things up. Way more than I could ever possibly understand since I know computer hardware, not network stuff. Im going to need a translation for most of the settings in there lol. This is a very technical piece of equipement and you might consider putting up a settings tweek translater on the Killer NIC site. Today I got the firmware update that you guys released and I noticed more stable functionality.

I finally got to game with it about and hour ago on BF2. Its hard to tell if it actually improves ping. But what I can tell that it DEFINANTLY does is keep the pings consistent. Normally, when your in game your ping will jump around, but with this card in place it stays so perfectly consistent. I played 2 full rounds and my ping litterally did not wavor beyond 2 points. THAT is useful for me. Im competing in a LOT of online tournament at a high level (were in 5 ladders, and 2 tournaments right now) and ping consistency is very importent. We also play tournaments in Europe, from America, and the pings will jump 40+ points all the time. That alone is a very useful aspect of this new technology.

The other thing that I think will really make this card worthwhile would be the nifty apps that people come up with to run on the card. The ability to download things and STILL be able to game without worry is a very exciting thought for me. Its like having a dual core processor allowing you to virus scan while playing. The other thing that I think will give this card a sales edge will be the increasing complexity of games. Games arent going to become smaller or more streamlined. More and more packets will have to be able to be sent over the internet. The more information thats sent the greater the likelihood something will lag, so the market for this technology will only increase.

Ill try to keep you guys updated on my experiences with the card and give my input as time goes on. Thank you for sponsoring the Showdown event and hopefully you may one day consider sponsoring teams themselves =)

Killer at CYBERJOCKS!!!!! : Killer NIC went public for 1st Time at Cyber Jocks

snakeeyes — Sun, 13 Aug 2006 09:43:56 GMT

We stopped by Cyber Jocks and installed 4 Killers on machines and left a fifth without the Killer so that the gamers could see the difference. We then opened the machines up to let the gamers play CounterStrike for free. Thebuzz was fantastic asthe gamers werecomparing pingswith Killer to the Pings of the machine without. Not onlywere the pings way better with Killer, but also the gamers noticed much betterIn/Out measurements than they had seen before. My favorite quote of the night was when one of the guys said, "I have to get me one of these because I have never seen Pings this low!".

Here are some pics:

Gamers excited to see Killer in action:

Tytus explaining how Killer speeds up CounterStrike:

Killer Banner at CyberJocks:

A special thanks to CyberJocks, which is a top notch facility with a fantastic crowd of hardcore gamers. We appreciate you letting the gamers there put the Killer through its paces.

KillerNIC white paper benchmark details

Madwand — Thu, 10 Aug 2006 07:34:54 GMT

Hi, I'd like to find out some more details on the tests reported in the Killer NIC white paper.

1. What exactly were the command lines used for PCATTCP. Why were those options/values selected?

2. Were the same command lines used for the calls/sec and throughput graphs? If not, what were the differences and why?

3. By "UDP - Throughput in MB", do you mean "UDP - Throughput in MB/s"? If not, what exactly do you mean?

4. Does the killer NIC support jumbo frames? What sizes?

5. Were jumbo frames used in the tests? What sizes?

6. Were any non-default NIC options selected for the tests? Which ones? Why?

7. Were any non-default OS/networking options selected for the tests? Which ones? Why?

8. Which OSs were used for the tests?

9. Were any other applications putting significant load on the system(s) run during the tests?

I understand that not all of my questions / perspective will be the best ones from a point of view of gaming, esp. on-line gaming.

However, I'm sure that anyone considering buying such a NIC would also want good performance in things like high-speed internal file transfers, and that some such questions (e.g. regarding jumbo frames) could apply in those cases.

Thanks.

Convince me to buy this NIC

dotK — Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:16:19 GMT

I'm a bit skeptical about the actual performance of this NIC. Actual reviews may or may not change this, but at the present I don't think anyone has reviewed it.

I can play on game servers in my local area and get a 10 - 20 ms ping, sometimes dropping into the single digits. Now, just by the fact that my ping is so low there appears to be very, very little room for your NIC to actually do much. I would venture to guess that a 1 to 3 ms reduction in latency would be the best that it could actually do. I'm sorry to say it, but that's not worth nearly $300. If I play on servers elsewhere in the country where my ping is in the 40-80 ms range or so, shaving a few milliseconds off that is not going to produce meaningful results.

I can run various applications that utilize my internet connection at the same time while gaming with no adverse effects. I will frequently run Skype while gaming in order to chat with people and have some download going in the background. This has no impact on my ping. My CPU is not even that great (A64 3500+ @ 2.6 GHz) and it seems to be more than able to handle to handle this. With new blazing fast multi-core CPUs coming out (and already out), it seems that a little bit of CPU utilization on the part of some file sharing application will be irrelevant (as it already is if you have a decent system). Also, with hardware soon to offload physics calculation to dedicated solutions, there are going to be very powerful CPUs sitting around just not doing very much.

Generally speaking, the whole lag issue is mainly a thing of the past. Broadband has brought it down to acceptable levels and I rarely hear people complain about lag and most people that do have no idea what lag is. They attribute their sub-par PCs not being able to run games well to lag. In reality, it's more likely that they don't have enough memory, have tons of background processes running, or things of that nature. When true network problems do occur, they are usually well outside of the scope of a NIC to be able to fix. If some router at some NOC is on the fritz, which is when you'll see real lag issues, there is nothing you can do to fix it.

Maybe I just haven't been able to find it, but I can only seem to find 3D renders of your product. Is there some place we can see the actual product?

So basically, as I see it:
- Modern CPUs seem to have no problem dealing with the chores your NIC claims to offload and very fast multicore CPUs are available with many more on the horizon
- The amount of lag reduction seems like it would be rather small and while it may have numerical significance (i.e. my ping was reduced by X), I somehow doubt if it will change the actual gameplay

products

Discrate — Mon, 07 Aug 2006 22:08:14 GMT

Does bigfoot networks have any other products in the works that will help reduce or stop lag? if so could you give us a sneak preveiw of what it does?

Testing

Discrate — Tue, 18 Jul 2006 03:14:55 GMT

Many people do not think big foots new NIC would do much to get rid of lag. So i have an idea. You should have 20 testers and then you send them free NIC and they trie them out and see if they work. And to get the word out if they do or do not work you could get like newspaper reporters to trie them and other gaming pro's? ill be happy to be a tester

what do you think?

Tytus, when you've got a minute...

humpmonkey — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 18:51:30 GMT

Tytus,

Please understand that I have no disrespect for you, or the Killer product. I have been long searching for something that has such claims. Before this weekend, I had a conversation with someone on how there doesn't seem to be a product that can zone in on the real problem with online gaming, and that happens to be lag and latency. But without understanding how your product works, I feel somewhat the skeptic.

I am not saying that it doesn't do what it reports, but I see a lot of "this product is exactly what you need to round your system out" type comments, or "this will take care of what ails your system", and without fully explaining how this product will benefit the gamer. It is one thing to show features and benefits, but it is another to show data comparisons, and hopefully not synthetic, between your product and say a common nic integrated into X, Y, and Z motherboards.

Lastly, I am not only a noob, but I play one on tv too, so please forgive me for asking about these:

FNA? This sounds like you can code some sort of proprietary compression. As long as the game hosting servers/realms use this compression in their games, and you use the client version, you can see improved performance.

Game First? Sounds like QoS, of which I can control on my router. If I have it on my router, do I have to disable it in order for GFirst to work?

Ping Throttle? This sounds like you can control your latency. Being able to control your latency seems like something that can be exploited in online games. Ghosting comes to mind, and in pvp, I also know the effects of people that force latency/link-deaths. It is wrong, it is evil, and I thought that I read that your focus is on getting the best pings... not making it worse.

MaxFPS? How much load is taken off of the system? When you compare your product against the integrated nic, it would be a wonder to see real world effects of something like gaming in Molten Core in WoW. While my graphics are bogging down, while my cpu is maxing out because of Ventrilo and the game, will I only get a 2% offload, or 15 to 20%?

Last-lastly, when a particular hop that you have no control over keeps you latent and lag heavy while gaming, how can you bypass those nasty nocs? I can play Everquest, and get GREAT pings and no lag with my rig, but I can log into WoW, and on a brand new low population server and get horrible lag. I can log into a high population server and get great ping times with no lag or latency.

These things seem to be out of the control of a nic, and I for one will stand atop my home and proclaim this product as what saves my lag ravished connections. Tytus, is this that product? If so, what does all of this mean, and how can I honestly compare it to what is already integrated in my system so I can not only feel good about my purchase, but likely end up hawking your product. I would hate to see you guys pump up this product like PhysX PPU, but only to find out that it is just a bunch of hype.

Got a minute? Stop by and help me/us better understand the product. If you have to wait until it goes on sale, then so be it. I've got big lungs, and have no problem holding my breath.

whats next?

Discrate — Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:10:44 GMT

what is next for big foot networks. Is there going to be anymore products after the killerNIC?

Big Foot's new product!

Discrate — Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:34:20 GMT

Just let me say first that i love th lag meter and i really hate lag. If lag was a person i would kill that person. I can not wait till Big foot's new product, the Network Interface Card. I will be the first one to buy the card. I hate lag and i am sick of it!

Microsoft adds Physics to SDK... Lag may abound!

Tytus — Tue, 04 Jul 2006 09:27:27 GMT

This link:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1979051,00.asp?kc=ETRSS02129TX1K0000532

explains that Microsoft is trying to add Physics (Havok Engine) to it's DirectX SDK.

This is actually bad news.

First, when Microsoft touches something it often KILLS the competition from coming up with anything better.

Second, adding Physics does NOTHING for Lag... and in fact if you don't have the best Physics hardware (or a darn good computer)... you are going to experience SLOWNESS (aka Lag).

The reasons to need EVERY BIT of CPU power are ever increasing.... and this is just 1 more!

OUCH!

Tytus

Possible Redirection of Ports

likeagod — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:37:56 GMT

Is there any hardware/software out there that can help with lag that results from the limitation of port throughput by redirecting information to a different port? If not, would such a capability be included in for future products put out by Bigfoot Networks?

My question stems from existing behind a campus firewall which I have no ability to modify. My campus has taken the tactic of limiting the amount of data allowed through ports that are used by popular file sharing software. While I do not use such peer-to-peer software myself, I have found that the World of Warcraft updater uses these same ports. Therefore, I cannot download using the WOW app due to the fact that it takes me 6 hours to download a 300 meg file... *sigh*

This presented a huge issue when Blizzard decided to implement a background downloader version of their app (and when for awhile it couldn't be disabled) and it caused so much lag that the game was unplayable.

If I could find software/hardware that could redirect this information from the ports that they originally assigned to other ports not blocked or bottlenecked by the campus firewall it would really nice and would hopefully solve other issues of lag that are caused by such occurrences!

Thanks,

likeagod

Ubicom's Stream Engine for Lag and Gaming and DLINK DGL-4300 Router

hunter — Tue, 04 Apr 2006 18:06:35 GMT

I used to work for a company that dealt with QoS , this is indeed and interesting read on how they use QoS and their algorithims to enhance gameplay.

http://gamer.ubicom.com/guides/qos_technology_guide.html

Also they have some sort of Lag metere that uses an active X control to deteremine your speed. Here is the link

http://gamer.ubicom.com/benchmarks/benchmarks.html

anyhow, interesting none the less.

Also for those who have this router, the DLINK DGL-4300, they rebranded the "stream engine" to "game fuel" hehehe

Interesting it seems that the technology either tags the packets for priority over all the other exsisting protocols over the line.

http://gamer.ubicom.com/solutions/featured/dlink_gaming_router.html

here is DLINK's official product page

http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370#gamefuel_on_off

It seems it's been getting some decent reviews

http://reviews.cnet.com/D_Link_DGL_4300_wireless_router/4505-3319_7-31229856-2.html?tag=nav

And Finally

Dlink's site for gaming products and their "stream engine" technology

http://games.dlink.com/

anyone have this router or any dlink game lounge products that can give us a more direct or specific persepective on it? I'm probably gonna get myhands on one and see for myself, and maybe write up a review! Be on the look out soon