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| Its been a while since my last post but I am here to vent about the ongoing problems i've been having with lag. Its been nearly 5 years since LAG first took hold of me and it just keeps getting worse. I still enjoy playing online games but not nearly as much as i used to and thats due in large part to lag. Games are just not as fun when you have to deal with lag ALL of the time. Yes, i did say all of the time. I am one of the best FPS players around and having to play my ass off every time just to get average scores or get beaten by others who have no business doing so is downright infuriating. I have tried everything humanly possible, everything that anyone can think of to rid myself of this lag but to no avail. And as I stated earlier the problem just gets worse every year. Is this really the future of online gaming? Is this what its become? The following is what i've observed during online gaming over the last 5 years and how its devolved from what it used to be, and not just for me but for many others as well. First of all, online gaming is not about skill anymore. Not even close. Those of you who "seemingly" do well and consistently put up good numbers don't fool yourselves into thinking that you're awesome. These days, better connections often equal more success whereas those with crappy connections like me have to make more of an effort just to put up decent numbers. Secondly, ping does not indicate how badly one lags or doesn't lag. Back in the days when I didn't lag i could play on servers far away in other countries and although my ping would skyrocket to 150 or 170 i could still play with no ill effects whatsoever. Now, that is far from the truth. I can't even get a game at a local server (where my ping is 40-50) and not lag. In fact, i commonly get beat by players with 150 ping or higher. It seems like they can hit me with ease and its a struggle for me to hit them. Playing with lag doesn't make things more challenging, it makes things unbalanced, ridiculous and puts you at a great disadvantage. So many of my moves/shots/actions do not register to begin with and the ones that do register are delayed by a second or more! An average player with no lag at all would have the advantage over an experienced player with tremendous lag any day. What good is having skill when it doesn't register at all? The fact is that LAG dictates the outcome of every game and changes the complexion of it by disrupting our rhythm and timing. Every symptom of lag there is I've experienced to the nth degree in the last 5 years. I wish i knew the reason for this monster LAG, but I am not certain. I suspect an increasing demand for bandwidth thats just creating more and more congestion on networking traffic. Back in 2001 when I first subscribed to broadband cable it was relatively new and not many people had it either because they couldn't afford it or it was not available to them. My connection was smooth for the first couple of years and I had no complaints at all. Lag was a distant notion that I never thought about. Unfortunately that didn't last very long :\ About late August, 2003 that all changed. Since then, things haven't been the same in online gaming for me. I've tried several different things to fight the problem, too many to list here. One of the latest things i've tried was switching to FIOS service when i moved just a few months ago. I had a glimmer of hope when i read how good, fast and reliable the service was. To my dismay, the lag is still very evident online (even with speeds of 15mb/2mb) and I don't notice any improvement over my previous cable broadband service. I am reluctant to spend $1500 or more to build a new pc from scratch as i've done in the past with no positive results. As of now there is nothing I can think of that i haven't tried. I dread having to go through another 5 years or more with this lag
Lag is my curse
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binlaggin4evr (7/6/2008) Games are just not as fun when you have to deal with lag ALL of the time. Yes, i did say all of the time.
what kind of internet connection are you using? is there just no better options in your area?
i still remember the first online game that got me addicted: starcraft (id played others before, but not daily like SC), i learned real quick which internet services in my area simply couldnt handle the game: AOL and prodigy were just horrible and finally settled on earthlink to get a reasonable connection
First of all, online gaming is not about skill anymore. Not even close. Those of you who "seemingly" do well and consistently put up good numbers don't fool yourselves into thinking that you're awesome. These days, better connections often equal more success whereas those with crappy connections like me have to make more of an effort just to put up decent numbers.
the best long term solution: try finding a quality online guild or make friends in the real world with people that live near you and play on your own servers. ive known some guilds that have been together for years moving from one game to another. unfortunately it can take a long time to find the right people to fulfill your needs
Secondly, ping does not indicate how badly one lags or doesn't lag. Back in the days when I didn't lag i could play on servers far away in other countries and although my ping would skyrocket to 150 or 170 i could still play with no ill effects whatsoever.
this really depends on the type of the game, and for how long the spikes last. ping is only a measure of latency, its not measuring any other lag you might be encountering and depending on the game its not likely to be showing you the latency on every packet of data, its usually only a small sample of overall data transmits that have their latency measured with ping timer so just going by a ping number doesnt tell you the entire story, it tells you one small piece of it
Now, that is far from the truth. I can't even get a game at a local server (where my ping is 40-50) and not lag. In fact, i commonly get beat by players with 150 ping or higher. It seems like they can hit me with ease and its a struggle for me to hit them.Playing with lag doesn't make things more challenging, it makes things unbalanced, ridiculous and puts you at a great disadvantage. So many of my moves/shots/actions do not register to begin with and the ones that do register are delayed by a second or more! An average player with no lag at all would have the advantage over an experienced player with tremendous lag any day. What good is having skill when it doesn't register at all? The fact is that LAG dictates the outcome of every game and changesthe complexion of it by disrupting our rhythm and timing. Every symptom of lag there is I've experienced to the nth degree in the last 5 years.
if your experiencing lag even with a ping of 40-50, it sounds like your having more than latency problems. it sounds like your PC is struggling to handle the game.
id have to ask: what games are you playing? also, do those games have a single player mode? does your PC handle the single player mode well, or does it lag there to?
heres the thing: if your PC cant handle modern games and your lagging even in single player modes than youve got all kinds of upgrades you may need to make to meet the minimum requirements for your games
if yoru PC is ok in single player mode but gets bogged down only when theres alot of network traffic, thats pretty common, thats the crappy windows network stack. it like s to pause things when theres a ton of incoming network data
I wish i knew the reasonforthis monster LAG,but I am not certain. I suspect an increasingdemandfor bandwidth thats just creating more and more congestion on networking traffic. Back in 2001 whenI first subscribed to broadband cable it was relatively new and not many people had it either because they couldn't afford it or it was not available to them.My connection was smooth for the first couple of years and I had no complaints at all. Lag was a distant notion that I never thought about. Unfortunately that didn't last very long :\ About late August, 2003 that all changed. Since then, things haven't been the same in online gaming for me.
im gonna sound like a fanboy here but: have you tried a killer nic?
theres a ton of other questions i should ask first about your other hardware but let me summarize it like this: if your pc meets the minimum specs for the game, but your getting alot of lag when network traffic is high, you want to bypass your windows network stack so that it cant issue pause commands ot your video card anymore
killer does that, it offloads the network traffic to the npu, basically it lets the rest of your pc function at its best without letting windows crappy operating system intentionally slow you down. thats what microsofts been doing in the lasst few years by the way: the more they tweak their network code to be optomized for web browsing and download speeds, the worse it will function for games
plus when you do get around to making a new pc you can just move the killer into that one as well, it wont go out of date as quick as a graphics card or any other upgrade you could buy
I've tried several different things to fight the problem, too many to list here. One of the latest things i've tried was switching to FIOS service when i moved just a few months ago. I had a glimmer of hope when i read how good, fast and reliable the service was. To my dismay, the lag is still very evident online (even with speeds of 15mb/2mb) and I don't notice any improvement over my previous cable broadband service. I am reluctant to spend $1500 or more to build a new pc from scratch as i've done in the past with no positive results. As of now there is nothing I can think of that i haven't tried. I dread having to go through another 5 years or more with this lag 
i have a pc that i spent over $2000 on, it still lagged in online games when tehre was alot of network traffic until i got a killer nic.
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Vega. you've been posting in Killer forums for a year now, I know your a fan boy
That said, I agree... it sounds like your ISP is not the problem, and Killer could help!
did you try LagMeter?
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| Thanks for the advice and suggestions Vega and Tytus. To answer some of your questions, I do only lag when playing online, not during single player games which in my mind at least rules out a problem with my pc. My ISP is Verizon FIOS. I mainly play Quake 4 online but i have played Team Fortress 2 a little. I started to feel the lag before getting into those games however, back when i used to play Return to Castle Wolfenstein which is a much older title. The pc I use now is less than two years old and far surpasses the minimum system requirements for each of those games I mentioned and meets or exceeds the recommended requirements. Call of Duty 4 is the only game that my pc can't handle in single player mode as its sluggish even on medium settings. I don't play COD4 at all online, I will wait until i upgrade my system first. Here is what i'm currently running: Intel Core 2 Duo at 2.4Ghz on an Asus P5W DH deluxe mobo 2GB DDR2 Corsair RAM Geforce 7950GT 512MB video card Western Digital 80GB HD Raptor 140GB HD WinXP home edition w/ service pack 2 One thing that you mentioned about WinXP Vega, is that the network stack isn't optimized for broadband connection. I had heard about that before which is why i was considering upgrading to Vista because i read that Vista is better optimized to handle true broadband connections. However, all i've heard lately about Vista is that its still buggy and there are still many compatability issues which make it very unstable, so i might put it off for a while. I have tried the Killer Nic too. I returned it after not noticing any improvement during online play. Is there any other way i can bypass Windows XP's network stack? One more thing i'd like to add is that aside from increasing internet congestion I believe that ISP's themselves along with Windows are inadvertently making gaming impossible by blocking certain types of packets for security reasons. I have hard evidence to back that claim up. You gotta go back to August 2003, this is when I first noticed lag when playing online. It was at this time when a virus was invading and causing massive damage to networking systems and computers world wide. I think it was called the "Blaster Worm". It only affected computers running certain versions of Microsoft Windows. My computer was among the millions affected around the world. It was a pain to get rid of but eventually i got my pc working to normal. Alas, the online gaming universe wouldn't be the same. Immediately I along with many other gamers noticed the sudden onset of lag. I researched the problem and discovered that many ISP's, gaming servers and Microsoft were implementing tougher security measures so that an incident like the Blaster Worm would not wreak havoc again. Unfortunately, in their aim to make things safer online they disrupted the way information is sent and received which in turn created massive lag. At first I was lagging on quite a few of the gaming servers I never lagged on previously, but not in all of them. Eventually though, as more time went by I began to lag on more servers until finally all servers in all games became laggy for me. I guess it took a while for ISP's, Microsoft and gaming servers to update their network security. Sure, its safer while just casually browsing the web but now online gaming truly stinks. The timing of the Blaster Worm and the appearance of constant Lag soon after is more than just coincidence in my opinion.
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DeJa Vu, exactly the same, not sure if it was 03 but it was august-september, it never has been the same since. I was on Cable then, i could play better on a 300k (Even moreso than i do now, on 8MB), but once the lag set in i tried upto 2MB, with noavail, so i switched to ADSL, it HAS improved, and the little tweaks have helped, but i never needed them back then, and it still isn't the same.
I would have to agree with you, on that the ISP's have done something, i've always thought that.
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I have tried the Killer Nic too. I returned it after not noticing any improvement during online play. Is there any other way i can bypass Windows XP's network stack?
I dont know any other way to bypass the windows stack because there arent any other network cards with their own processor, and if your CPU is handling the networking, so is the windows stack
Are you sure you had it installed right?
And actually, vista is WORSE for games online than XP. It may be "optimized for broadband" but its optomized for DOWNLOAD speeds in broadband, it pauses even longer to create larger packets to facilitate web browsing and download speeds over broadband. Those longer pauses create higher latency in games than XP ever did
I get an ever bigger boost with killer in vista than i did in XP
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What other things do you do to keep your system optimized? Just a few things off the top of my head:
1. defined page file size (same min/max) read my response here on defragging the page file than setting it to one size http://www.endlagnow.org/elnforums/Topic929-11-1.aspx
2. driver cleaner pro http://www.drivercleaner.net/
the older your pc, the more times youve upgraded drivers, the more times you upgrade drivers, the more trash and backup files they leave behind (that no uninstaller removes). driver cleaner pro gets rid of everything the uninstallers cant remove (by removing them in safe mode)
3. registry cleaner: http://www.tune-up.com/products/tuneup-utilities/
the older your pc, the more important it is to keep the registry clean, youll find other programs out there that can do it, but this is one of the best with an unrestricted free trial period
4. disk clean up and defrag (standard windows accessorys > system tools)
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| OR, just format, lol saves the hassle and works far better. Also for the first 5 mins you may notice it's smoother than it has been or ever will be in online games, then it turns to ****e. 5 mins of bliss though, lol
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